Holiday Music

Haeny Yoon:
Welcome to "Pop & Play," the podcast all about play and pop culture and how each shapes our lives. I'm Haeny Yoon.

Nathan Holbert:
And I'm Nathan Holbert. And today, today we are celebrating the most wonderful time of the year.

Haeny Yoon:
Of the year!

Nathan Holbert:
It's a very popping holiday episode!

Haeny Yoon:
Woo! That was impressive.

Nathan Holbert:
I hope you guys are excited.

Haeny Yoon:
Okay. Well, I'm supposed to sing a few bars of a holiday song, but I'm not going to. [inaudible 00:00:33].
And while we could probably handle this topic alone, we have two very special guests and friends of the pod. Without them, we would not be who we are.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
For better or worse.

Nathan Holbert:
It's their fault in many ways.

Sonali Rajan:
So true.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah. We have Lalitha Vasudevan, vice dean for digital innovation at Teachers College.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Hi, everyone. Lovely to see you guys.

Nathan Holbert:
Again!

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Always good to be here.

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Very excited to be back.

Haeny Yoon:
And another frequent guest of the pod, we have Sonali Rajan, senior research director for Everytown for Gun Safety.

Sonali Rajan:
Hi, you guys.

Haeny Yoon:
But we're not talking about guns today, so...

Nathan Holbert:
Not today.

Sonali Rajan:
This is the opposite.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
We are super excited to have you both with us. We hadn't planned to do this, but got a random text message from Sonali about how excited she was to be listening to Christmas music and holiday music, and that she felt like "Pop & Play" needed to talk about this more often.

Haeny Yoon:
So we're going to pop off today on the holidays to get ourselves ready for the season.

Nathan Holbert:
That's right. It's December now. We have to start thinking about the holidays. I have delayed it until after Thanksgiving, as is my yearly rule, that I can't hear or think about the holidays until after Thanksgiving.

Sonali Rajan:
I can't even believe we're friends.

Nathan Holbert:
But we are past that. It's time, it's time to go fully.

Haeny Yoon:
Oh, Sonali, you like to listen to holiday music all year round? Is that your jam?

Sonali Rajan:
Literally post Halloween, it's fair game. Which is why Nathan can't come to my apartment for four weeks.

Nathan Holbert:
Shut it down for four weeks.

Sonali Rajan:
It's good to see you again.

Nathan Holbert:
Good to have you both with us. I think we should just dive right into this.

Haeny Yoon:
Yes.

Nathan Holbert:
Because I have a feeling we're going to have to like move quickly, knowing our guests and how many songs and how many holiday topics and traditions they're going to want to talk about. But let's start simple here. Let's invite each of us to share your top two holiday songs.

Haeny Yoon:
Can I interject something really quick? I like the way that it's starting because I feel like the holiday season always starts with music. Once I hear something playing in a store or somewhere else, I'm like, "Oh, it's time for the holiday."

Nathan Holbert:
It's on.

Haeny Yoon:
It's on. Yeah. All right.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Oh, am I on?

Haeny Yoon:
Yes.

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah, Lalitha, start us out.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
We're starting off, you told us, you gave us a charge. You said top two. And two-

Nathan Holbert:
Because I knew Sonali was going to choose 29 if [inaudible 00:02:57].

Sonali Rajan:
I would like to say I whittled that 29 down to three and a half.

Haeny Yoon:
Three and a half?

Sonali Rajan:
You'll hear about the half in a second.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
And I couldn't not spend some time thinking about what top meant. What does it mean for something to be at the top?

Haeny Yoon:
Oh, this is very Lalitha.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
And what does it also mean for something to be a holiday song?

Nathan Holbert:
Sure.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
So I went on a journey.

Nathan Holbert:
No, wait, let's debate the words for the next 20 minutes.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I'm going to keep it short.

Nathan Holbert:
That's what the people are here for.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I'm going to keep it short. Because, look, what I will say is, when I think of holiday season, I think of the run-up to a period of time when I can be in my pajamas and just nap indiscriminately. That to me is the real essence of winter break.

Nathan Holbert:
The holidays, the true meaning of the holidays is-

Haeny Yoon:
Napping.

Nathan Holbert:
Lalitha in her PJs.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Yeah, that's really it. And so I did think about what's going to get me both amped and relaxed.

Nathan Holbert:
Cozy.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Cozy. And for me, I think music is an embodied experience. Those of you who may know my love of air drumming will appreciate this. So I have a cheat response and then a second response. So my cheat response is actually two songs I have put together in my head this past season.

Haeny Yoon:
Oh, it's a mashhup?

Sonali Rajan:
Love a good mashup.

Haeny Yoon:
Love a good mashup.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
And I think they kind of go together. And they're from two distinct eras in American history. One is classic, I think '50s,'60s, and then one is '80s. And this is the pairing of Darlene Love, whose voice is just tremendous. There's a great mashup of her singing the Christmas song "Baby Please Come Home" on David Letterman over several years. That to me sits in a cozy little pod with "Last Christmas" by Wham. And they're both about-

Sonali Rajan:
Love both of those.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Last Christmas, somebody gave away their heart and now Darlene is saying, "Please come home." And I think there's a nice little narrative here to be...

Sonali Rajan:
Lalitha, this is amazingly emo for [inaudible 00:05:06].

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I know it is. It's a little-

Nathan Holbert:
Very emo start.

Sonali Rajan:
I'm so proud of you.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Do you want us to do both or you want to... I'm going to toss that first one out there.

Haeny Yoon:
I feel like Lalitha starting is always a mistake because it's so profound and the rest of us are like, "Woo!"

Nathan Holbert:
The rest of us are goofy. I love "Rocking Around the Christmas Tree."

Haeny Yoon:
Exactly.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
There are genres, but those I can belt. I don't have a good voice, but I belt them anyway.

Nathan Holbert:
Wow.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
Let's go around. So one from Lalitha. Sonali, you want to give us your first of 29?

Sonali Rajan:
How long is it?

Haeny Yoon:
Oh, my God. She's like pulling out her notes out. She has a list.

Nathan Holbert:
She unrolled a scroll.

Haeny Yoon:
Let me look at my Spotify.

Nathan Holbert:
I'm not even sure where she had the scroll tucked away when she came in.

Sonali Rajan:
So first of all, Nathan called this before we started recording because he knows me far too well. But yes, Pentatonix does an amazing version of "Little Drummer Boy." And I looked back through all of my Spotify versions of Christmas playlists because I have many I've made many, and it is always on there and it is just such a good... So I love a capella. It just hits all the notes, so that's one.

Nathan Holbert:
You just get to give one.

Sonali Rajan:
Oh, we're just doing one?

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Are we also allowed to comment that that's the wrong Drummer Boy?

Nathan Holbert:
I do love "Little Drummer Boy." That is the wrong version. The correct answer is the David Bowie-

Sonali Rajan:
Also a good version, but this-

Nathan Holbert:
And where am I going? Bing Crosby duet. And that one really works best-

Haeny Yoon:
Unlikely duo.

Nathan Holbert:
When you watch the video of it, because there's the opener like, "Oh, hello."

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I just watched it. And then there's an SNL parody of it.

Sonali Rajan:
Oh, I love that.

Nathan Holbert:
I watched that too. All right, Haeny?

Haeny Yoon:
I mean, I'm just going to say, I think my role here is to be basic.

Nathan Holbert:
Let's do it.

Haeny Yoon:
So the basic answer is Mariah Carey "All I Want for Christmas."

Nathan Holbert:
Oh, that is the basic answer. That's the basicest answer.

Sonali Rajan:
That's like the correct answer though. You hear it and you're like...

Haeny Yoon:
I don't know what Mariah Carey is actually like. She kind of has that diva, I'm unbothered energy. And I kind of like that now that I'm like older and wiser. I'm like, "I like unbothered I'm a diva energy. I'm going to bring that into 2026."

Nathan Holbert:
You bring that into every room from what I can tell.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
Haeny-

Lalitha Vasudevan:
One thing I'll say about that too is it's so hard to break into the kind of attention economy with a new song associated with this like universally claimed time of year, holiday, whatever you want to call it. So it's a phenomenon and I think it's fascinating that it persists.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
That's a good answer. I mean, definitely not on my list, but a pretty good one. Since you started so basic, I'll start with trying to be cool, which is kind of my whole vibe, trying to be cool and failing.

Haeny Yoon:
That tracks completely.

Nathan Holbert:
I'm going to go with "Christmas Wrapping" by The Waitresses. That's a fun one.

Haeny Yoon:
What is that?

Sonali Rajan:
I don't even know what that is.

Nathan Holbert:
Merry Christmas. Hope you have fun this year.

Sonali Rajan:
Oh, yeah!

Nathan Holbert:
It's a good one. All right. Number two, what's number two on the list, Lalitha?

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Okay. Look, here's the thing. I like stories. I mean, I like songs that have stories, as you can see. I create narrative with random bad Christmas songs, but I also like things that allow me to have a full-bodied experience. And I struggled with this because I love to drum. I love to pretend I'm drumming. I don't drum at all in real life.

Nathan Holbert:
I love to drum.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I love to drum the air. And I'm going to have to say, this was really hard because I enjoy a lot of fun holiday music, but I went with Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

Nathan Holbert:
I thought about that.

Haeny Yoon:
Oh, that's solid.

Nathan Holbert:
I totally thought about going that direction. Which one did you choose? Did you choose the whole album?

Lalitha Vasudevan:
The Christmas Sarajevo, [inaudible 00:09:09] for.

Nathan Holbert:
So good.

Haeny Yoon:
Sonali, what's your contribution? Solo.

Sonali Rajan:
Okay. Solid choice.

Haeny Yoon:
Very good choice.

Sonali Rajan:
I feel great about that. Okay. I had Mariah Carey because that is, I do feel like that is iconic. But my half kind of hot take that I'm just going to offer out here, because I was looking... So I have like 480 songs on my life songs. And I was going through it and I have like eight versions of "Auld Lang Syne," which I know is not technically Christmas.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I put that.

Haeny Yoon:
That's [inaudible 00:09:40] classic.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
It's holiday.

Nathan Holbert:
It's a holiday.

Sonali Rajan:
Yeah, holiday. And I cannot listen to it without like getting super weepy. I know you're shocked, so I'm glad you're sitting down. However, any version, to be clear. Anyway, that's my other contribution. But I didn't know if it would count.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah. I'm going to go on that, I don't know if this counts train and I'm going to make a declaration.

Nathan Holbert:
Okay.

Haeny Yoon:
Of a new Christmas song or holiday song that I would like to enter into contention. So I also think about holidays as sort of a sad time for people. You like re-experience your heartbreak, you're like alone or not alone or whatever. I'm going to offer "Champagne Problems" by Taylor Swift.

Nathan Holbert:
You had to get Taylor in here somehow.

Sonali Rajan:
Feeling great about that.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah. If you're not listening to it in the holidays, you are not doing it right.

Sonali Rajan:
Should we also talk about "Champagne Problems" the Netflix movie?

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah, but I haven't watched video, so let's not.

Nathan Holbert:
Save that for the [inaudible 00:10:42].

Haeny Yoon:
But I think that movie has now propelled "Champagne Problems" the song into the ether.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
The holiday realm.

Nathan Holbert:
I can see that. I think that's fine. I think you need... The problem with my, I don't listen to Christmas music until after Thanksgiving and then I listen to it a lot is like, you get tired of it if that's all you're listening to. And so you kind of need to mix in songs that are adjacent and I think that's a good one. Yeah.

Haeny Yoon:
Thank you.

Nathan Holbert:
Okay. My final pick then, I'm going to go with "Christmas is Coming" by the Vince Guaraldi trio.

Haeny Yoon:
What?

Nathan Holbert:
This is not, this is the Charlie Brown!

Haeny Yoon:
Charlie Brown. Okay. I got it. Wait, is it the...

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Haeny Yoon:
This is also called the karaoke podcast.

Nathan Holbert:
And we try [inaudible 00:11:34].

Haeny Yoon:
You guys [inaudible 00:11:34].
To be clear.

Nathan Holbert:
Fantastic. Okay, so thinking about your favorite Christmas songs is a lot of fun, but I also thought it might be kind of fun for us to think about songs that we kind of can't stand, that we would excise, we would remove from all the playlists around the world that are holiday songs that we just don't want to hear anymore. So can we choose a song to Thanos from the world?

Sonali Rajan:
I have one.

Nathan Holbert:
You start.

Sonali Rajan:
Okay. When I was six, I took tap dancing lessons and I had to do all these sort of like ridiculous performances where you have to like put bows in. I hated everything about it.

Haeny Yoon:
I love that though. I wanted to be a tap dancer.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Did you have balloons on your hat?

Sonali Rajan:
I did not, but I did have to do a thing to "Holly Jolly Christmas" and I just, I freaking hate that song.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
Have a holly, jolly Christmas!

Sonali Rajan:
It's just everything about it, I don't like it. It's not even like...

Nathan Holbert:
That's a bad one.

Sonali Rajan:
That is a bad one.

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah.

Sonali Rajan:
I skip through it if I hear it.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
That's a good one.

Sonali Rajan:
And my Spotify has been trained accordingly, to be clear.

Haeny Yoon:
Very good.

Sonali Rajan:
That's my outtake.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I like it. Okay. I struggle with this because again, one man's, whatever, trash is another man's treasure. I got to go with grandma, grandma getting run over.

Nathan Holbert:
Haeny is horrified.

Haeny Yoon:
Whoa.

Nathan Holbert:
You're [inaudible 00:13:06].

Haeny Yoon:
This also tracks.

Nathan Holbert:
Perfect.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
I like that pick. I think that song is... Listen, that song can be fun when you're little, right? Which is also part of how I chose my song is a song that might have been fun at one point that I'm just completely done with in life. I do want to say that I thought about choosing the Mariah Carey song here.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I wondered.

Nathan Holbert:
But I knew it would be a very controversial take, which would be fun. I don't really care for that song.

Haeny Yoon:
You guys are inadvertently calling me basic in a lot of different ways.

Nathan Holbert:
Pretty directly. But no, my choice is "12 Days of Christmas."

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Really?

Nathan Holbert:
I don't need to go through a list that I repeat over and over.

Haeny Yoon:
That's true. That's actually very true. I think that's a good choice. I honestly can't think of anything.

Nathan Holbert:
What?

Haeny Yoon:
Yes, I can't.

Nathan Holbert:
Keep 'em all?

Haeny Yoon:
I was like, maybe "Frosty the Snowman," but when it comes on, I don't hate it either.

Sonali Rajan:
I love this about Haeny. That's like such a lovely quality. See?

Haeny Yoon:
I believe in embracing all the Christmas. Oh, but I also do hate a lot of things.

Sonali Rajan:
No, I know-

Nathan Holbert:
[inaudible 00:14:16] hate. What a surprise.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Sonali Rajan:
Haeny just owed it.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah. But the holidays, I feel like it's the vibe. I like the vibe of winding down into something where you can just sit around and eat a lot of food and it's acceptable.

Nathan Holbert:
All right. Listen, it's good to think about holiday songs. It's especially fun to be a hater like Haeny always is. I'm finding I enjoyed it. But also, we thought we might take a few minutes to talk about holiday traditions. What are some things that you either do as a family, you remember you doing as a child maybe, things you do now, or things you did at school. What are some traditions that you find particularly interesting or valuable that you'd like to share with everybody?

Haeny Yoon:
Okay. I had a really hard time with this question too. And I was also like, it's actually a really good question because it's about how families and communities develop culture and affinity and belonging, right? And then for some reason I couldn't think of anything.
Okay, but we actually... So my husband Neil is from Michigan and I'm from Illinois and so a lot of during the holidays, we'll actually drive because then we could go to both places in different swaths of time. So we actually always go early in the morning on one of the days. It takes about nine hours to get to Detroit/Ann Arbor and we always stop at this place called Tom's Diner and we take an obligatory picture next to Santa on the bench. And I feel like that place used to be a funeral home because it looks exactly like one, but we're like, we've got to go to Tom's Diner. And a lot of times we have the same waitress, which is kind of awesome.

Nathan Holbert:
That is awesome.

Haeny Yoon:
So shout out to Tom's Diner somewhere in Pennsylvania. I have no idea where you are.

Nathan Holbert:
I love that.

Haeny Yoon:
It's about a couple of hours away.

Sonali Rajan:
I love that.

Haeny Yoon:
But I like that. I like the passing of time too, like every time you look at the pictures. Anyway.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I love that.

Nathan Holbert:
Tom's Diner visit. That's great. Great call. Lalitha?

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Yeah, I can go. I was thinking about this. I had a few things. The one that I will say stood out to me immediately was, so we immigrated to this country in the late 70s and we were not obvious candidates for celebrating Christmas as it were. And you know, my dad, new immigrant, going to work, something that really glommed onto him or that he glommed onto was the Rat Pack Christmas albums.

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah, yeah.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
And I remember like sometime in the 80s, he got a stereo system in our home and the first CDs he bought were like Dean Martin's Christmas and Fiddler on the Roof. And those two things would be in heavy rotation. Fiddler all year long. I don't know what it was about Topol that he like really...

Nathan Holbert:
What's not to love?

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I think it's like the song "Tradition" that he really liked and we were like, "Not so subtle dad." So I grew up just with crooners like baritone Christmas music.

Haeny Yoon:
That is so weird because my family is new immigrants around that time too and my dad was really into that as well.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Whoa.

Haeny Yoon:
That's so fascinating. I wonder if it's a way for immigrant adults to feel acculturated or feel a part of American culture, or if they saw that as American culture.

Nathan Holbert:
That makes sense, right? It was kind of the height of culture at that time.

Sonali Rajan:
Also it's such an easy way to like... It's like sort of an easy low hanging fruit way to be like, "Oh, I can listen to this and participate." Yeah, yeah. I think about that a lot.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
And I think that to me, when you asked us to think about holiday songs, movies, traditions, even the hating on holiday, one of the things I love about that, and I appreciate what Haeny just said about like the cultural practices that holidays invite in and it is low hanging fruit and it's a way for me as a kid who was like, that became part of our lives later on, but initially I was like, "Oh, I can sing the songs. Rudolph seems like a cool cat."
And I think it's interesting to think about like what are the ways into things that might seem like barriers, but they were like really kind of like offerings. And I get it, everybody doesn't have that take, but I think the music piece of it felt universal just to be like, everybody sang.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
That's good. Yeah, yeah. I'll go next and then you can end us here. I was thinking of a couple... Always there's lots of options to choose from, but the one I'll choose is in my family, we have always done a scavenger hunt on Christmas morning for like the big present.

Sonali Rajan:
Oh, that's cute.

Nathan Holbert:
And when I was a kid, my dad would make these clues that were always these little poems and then we had to go find where the clue led you and then that would be the next clue and you would kind of go through five or six, four or five clues. And I do that now for both of my kids. And what's fun about it, it's fun for it to be kind of a continuation, but it's also been fun to think about how do I write a little clue poem for a kid who can't read? How do I write a little clue poem for a kid that's just learning to read? And then now that my kids are older, I can make like really hard ones. It's just fun to like-

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Awesome.

Sonali Rajan:
That's really cute.

Nathan Holbert:
Explore the chains.

Haeny Yoon:
That's a really cool tradition. I love that. That's a lot of work.

Nathan Holbert:
It is so much work. Christmas Eve night, I'm like...

Haeny Yoon:
Staying up all night.

Nathan Holbert:
Pour a big glass of whiskey and I'm like trying to write poetry.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
What happens to the poetry over the course of the glass?

Sonali Rajan:
Yeah, I was going to say.

Nathan Holbert:
The rhymes get a little rougher, a little more near.

Haeny Yoon:
Have you saved this poetry that you've written?

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah, probably. I probably have most of them in my sock drawer somewhere.

Haeny Yoon:
We've got T.S. Elliot here.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I know.

Nathan Holbert:
Oh no.

Haeny Yoon:
Publish these.

Nathan Holbert:
They are bad. They're all like to the toilet, so they're all about toilets.

Haeny Yoon:
I love this.

Sonali Rajan:
He knows [inaudible 00:20:29]. Yes.

Nathan Holbert:
The laundry room. It's all very like... Yeah.

Haeny Yoon:
That's a really great tradition. I love that. I love the passing down from one generation to the next and keeping it alive.

Nathan Holbert:
Yeah, it's fun to do. And my sister does it as well too.

Sonali Rajan:
Oh, that's cute. That's really sweet. I love that. That's sweet.

Nathan Holbert:
Take us home, Sonali.

Haeny Yoon:
Take us home.

Sonali Rajan:
I will build a little bit upon what Lalitha was sharing. So my parents also immigrants and we grew up in upstate New York where everyone celebrated, everyone in our neighborhood celebrated Christmas. And so the beautiful thing about Christmas is that it's very like, you don't have to be... We're not religious. We don't have any... But we also had in the neighborhood where we were growing up, a lot of our friends also were Jewish and celebrated Hanukkah.
And so just classic Mama Rajan, we would get our tree at the beginning of December. And I had such vivid memories of my sisters and I in the car with my poor dad and the tree is on the roof and we had gone to the Hewitts, which was 20 minutes away to drive and the tree would like roll off and my sisters and I would be like screaming in the car. Poor dad would be like, "Oh my God, this freaking tree." And we would name our tree Bubba, which I was sharing on our text thread last night. So still even now, Nikki calls our tree Bubba. And then it was just like random and whatever.

Haeny Yoon:
I love it.

Sonali Rajan:
But we would be decorating this tree and while we would decorate the tree, my mom would make latkes because she's an amazing cook and just was like always just so curious about like other foods and cultures, but she would also make vada, which is like this Indian... It's like delicious fried dough.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
A savory donut.

Sonali Rajan:
Yeah. It's like an Indian version of a donut. So she would basically, the whole house would smell like fried. And we would be like decorating the tree and my dad would be like sitting relieved that we didn't die driving home with this tree. I just loved the sort of like hodgepodgeness of that. And that my mom in particular was just so good about like, this is new and it's not what she did growing up, but this is like a thing we'll do with our family. We did that and now it's grown up, but...

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I love that. I love holiday pastiche, we bring and then it's also braiding together.

Sonali Rajan:
Also, now I want a latke.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
I know.

Haeny Yoon:
Well, I do too. My stomach started growling.

Sonali Rajan:
Yeah.

Nathan Holbert:
The donuts too.

Sonali Rajan:
Anyway, so that's my favorite memory.

Nathan Holbert:
That's fantastic. Well, thank you. Thank you both Sonali and Lalitha for joining us to talk about holiday music, holiday traditions. It was a lot of fun.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
This was great.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah. And permission to just play more in the holidays, in all forms.

Sonali Rajan:
I love it.

Nathan Holbert:
Do traditions, play some music. Have a great time. Hope everyone has a nice holiday break and we will see you back after the new year. And we do want to remind you that on January 20th, we will be releasing our next play date, which is on...

Haeny Yoon:
Knock on wood.

Sonali Rajan:
Woodworking.

Haeny Yoon:
That was my cue.

Nathan Holbert:
That was your cue. So if you haven't yet got a chance to do some whittling or do some construction, try.

Haeny Yoon:
Just even feel some wood.

Nathan Holbert:
Feel some wood. Go look at a tree, go touch a tree.

Haeny Yoon:
Yeah, exactly.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Etching, a little etching.

Haeny Yoon:
All right. Thanks everybody. Bye!

Sonali Rajan:
Bye.

Lalitha Vasudevan:
Bye.

Haeny Yoon:
Bye.